SCENAR and the Pathology of a Scam

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While going about my business the other day, I came across SCENAR in a facebook entry by a member of the family, who claimed that after a SCENAR therapy treatment their shoulder was now back to normal.

Having been on the receiving end of therapies for a lot of sporting injuries over many years, I was surprised not to have heard of this one, so I once again enrolled into the University of Google, the institution in which everyone is an expert, or so they think.

So, I now know that SCENAR basically involves applying a small current that gives a tingling sensation in muscles. That’s it. While this sort of thing has been done for years by physiotherapists to assist with soft tissue injuries, this version is just a cheap and nasty copy. The most common devices are like a mobile phone, and give out a tiny tingle, which couldn’t possibly have any real effect on body tissue. I’ve also found out that it was developed for the Russian space program. Now I’m really impressed.

And no, I’m not going to take you on an Elmore-esque adventure. Although it’s tempting, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Another blogger summarised it pretty well here.

Suffice to say that this has all the same hallmarks as Elmore; in fact the techniques are almost identical. Rather than do another expose on this shifty therapy, let’s take a look at the common traits of these scams.

1. Post hoc ergo procter hoc

Are you impressed? Translated, this most common logical fallacy means ‘after this, therefore because of this’, and is common when correlation is confused with causation. In this case, someone uses SCENAR on their shoulder, which then gets better, and they assume it’s the SCENAR. All they can really say is that the improvement happened after the SCENAR, not because of it. For SCENAR, we could substitute Elmore Oil, laser hair growth therapy, reiki, chiropractic, homeopathic remedies, The Secret, etc etc – you get the idea. Typically, whatever the ailment, it heals itself, or else goes through natural cycles – as in the case of, say, hair loss and cancer progression.

2. Extraordinary claims – low evidence

We’ve talked about this before, but it’s all too common. On one hand, the claims being made are breath-taking. Look at this for instance. Don’t be over-whelmed by this table – just look at the range of ailments, and the % cured column. Pretty impressive right? If this is correct, then we really don’t need doctors any more, do we? I wonder why this societal shift hasn’t happened yet? Why are we still training doctors, rather than pumping out SCENAR device operators?

On the other hand, the evidence to support these grandiose claims is pitiful. There’s an impressive list of references here, but inspection reveals that really only one ‘trial’ of any note has been done, with the conclusion that:

Due to the modest sample size and restricted cohort characteristics,future larger and more comprehensive trials are required to better evaluate the potential efficacy of the ENAR device in a more widely distributed sample population

And that’s it. That’s the evidence, unless you include countless testimonials. Elmore anyone?

This leads on to our third trait.

3. The Research Bypass

See my recent blog on this one. Basically,  proponents do some dodgy preliminary trials, which inevitably show a benefit due to either the placebo effect or cherry picking of data, and then publish, with no intention of every doing proper trials. This way, they can cite ‘clinical trials’, and have a nice, official-looking footnote.

4. It’s gotta be old or foreign

Like all good alternative therapies, religions and fairy tales, they are represented as being one or both of old, and foreign. Notice that any reference to something being ‘new’ or ‘locally invented’ is no-no. Having both of these attributes would seem to be the kiss of death. There are favourites – ancient chinese/oriental seems to be popular,  (it scores on both attributes), while SCENAR is exotically Russian. Chiropractic and Homeopathy are both 19th century. Ear candling is allegedly a practice of the Hopi tribe of native Americans. I could go on.

5. Adopted by dubious professions

It seems that bogus therapies are typically favoured by those professions which have no real basis to them – chiropractic being a good example. They seem to adopt various practices to complement whatever it is that they learn in university – applied kinesiology, SCENAR, manipulation of energy fields, homeopathy and so on. I wonder whether it’s because the practitioners are struggling to sell whatever they do, so latch onto whatever seems good at the time, to increase their perceived expertise?

6. A rap on the knuckles

Finally, and most desirably, many bogus therapies will also have official sanctions applied for making misleading claims, but which, for some strange reason, do not make it into the public arena. This is more common than you think, thanks to the good work of the likes of Loretta Marron (the Jelly Bean lady), and Dr. Michael Vagg. For example, if you go here and type in SCENAR, you’ll get a page of recent orders against companies and individuals making claims of efficacy. While I’ve had a crack at the TGA recently, Loretta and Mick have kept them on their toes, by filing continuous complaints and ensuring that they are followed through.

Armed with this pathology of a scam, you are now in a position to spot one a mile away – so no more excuses!

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356 thoughts on “SCENAR and the Pathology of a Scam

    Richard Courtenay said:
    January 28, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    Hi RB
    We are being warned all the time to reduce the amount of electromagnetic influence our bodies absorb, hence the shielding of microwave ovens and t he concern over the proliferation of NBN towers in Australia. Also I note earlier in your blog there was the mention of this device emitting 50hz which we are told to reduce our exposure to. If this machine can produce enough energy to make muscles spasm I would not put it near my body however nice it might feel for a while. There is no way this device will cure the pain from my crushed spinal cord and vertebrae rubbing together due to no disc left. This is fixed by real science, not by fairies.
    Thank you for your blog
    Ritchie

      rationalbrain responded:
      January 28, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      Hi Ritchie
      In scenar’s defence(not like me I know), I wouldn’t be worried about anything other than some mild warming. That’s been the whole issue – there’s not enough output to do anything much, let alone cure disease or major structural issues like yours.
      rb.

      Jose Villar said:
      March 13, 2016 at 3:28 am

      What is real science according you: Pharma Poisons, mutilation procedures, Nerve Blocking by Steroids and dangerous toxic pain killers? You called that Science? I am A Bio-medical Consultant, with Chronic back pain and a Neck Surgery. Scenar technology make miracles on my pain. My wife is a Doctor, and also Phd in Medical Sciences, ask her about the Scenar and her experience with her patients.

        rationalbrain responded:
        March 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm

        Real science is not taking someone’s word for it.
        If my evidence is your wife’s say-so, I’m on thin ice.
        No, real science involves thorough testing to demonstrate efficacy, and scenar has had bugger all.
        We are just left with lame anecdotes, and having a go at science.
        And if you are so anti-science, why do you quote your qualifications, and those of your wife, at me? Surely they are worthless according to you.

    Gail Jones said:
    March 27, 2016 at 4:13 am

    You poor thing ! Your mind is sealed forever ,what a shame! You obviously have never heard of a Rife machine , and the fact that , “the body Electric ” (Robert Beck” ) and the body is 80 % water ! Have you read Lakhovski! What’s the matter with you ? You obviously could use a little electrotherapy yourself !Are you not aware that scientists are using 528 frequency to repair DNA? There was a time when all hospitals were equipped with Rife machines till Big Pharma took control ! This site is a waste of time , nothing rational about your brain ,(if you have one !)

      rationalbrain responded:
      March 27, 2016 at 8:57 am

      Thankyou for the personal attack, but spouting a whole bunch of phrases in quotes and with exclamation marks does not constitute evidence.
      I had never heard of a Rife machine, but now that I’ve read about it, it’s just another piece of junk for the gullibles to froth over. Obviously you don’t agree with its portrayal in Wikipedia. Everything is a conspiracy, right? And how lucky we are that perceptive types like you, who are on the inside, are there to protect us.
      I could go on – the body is 80% water – so what? How does that lead to disease being cured by Scenar? Show me the evidence, which still no-one has done.
      And scientists don’t use ‘frequencies’ – frequency is a property, not some magical agent that is applied.
      You should know that anyone with any science background (or just moderately well read) looks on the words you wrote and thinks ‘yep, word salad’. It’s incoherent.
      So spare me the conspiracy theories (fyi – ‘big pharma’ is making billions by bilking the gullibles for scenar, homeopathy, naturopathy etc etc – they are hardly the establishment).
      If this site is a waste of time, then go do something more productive, like, oh, read a book? A science book, not a book by some kook throwing techno-babble around.
      But thanks for the character assessment – you types can always be counted on for that.

    adv23 said:
    March 31, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    A few years back an acquaintance saw me moving and stretching my shoulder as I was in obvious pain (I got shoulder/neck pains regularly so was used to them) and summoned me over and used a scenar on me. I had no idea what it was at the time, only that it worked completely! And no, not post hoc ergo propter hoc, it actually worked, normally I’d be in pain for days and that day it disappeared in less than an hour. I had no expectations, I’m a skeptic and understand your skepticism but just because there’s a lot of rubbish (like cheap and nasty copies, or charlatans selling them) doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. I’d dig deeper if I were you.

      rationalbrain responded:
      April 1, 2016 at 10:31 am

      Firstly, I’m glad your shoulder was fixed.
      Secondly, ‘dig deeper’ where exactly? I have checked the usual journals, and all you get on the internet are sales and marketing sites, claiming cures of all sorts of things, including disease conditions, not just sore shoulders.
      I have been asking proponents for the evidence (in the form of good quality studies – double blind, placebo-controlled) that these things cure anything but all I hear are anecdotes – and anyone can make up an anecdote. In your case, I accept that there may have been some pain relief from the instrument (I’ve have acknowledged this many times before), but how do you know the pain would not have disappeared in a hour anyway? Maybe the strain wasn’t as severe as you thought. I’m not doubting you, but just saying that this what studies do – they compare doing nothing with the modality in question, and hence doesn’t rely on our memory, or the subjective assessment of pain.
      I look forward to the digging you have done.

      James said:
      May 29, 2017 at 10:46 pm

      I agree, there is a lot of rubbish out there and skepticism is probably an appropriate response. I have come across Scenar and the related treatment Cosmodic. I was doubtful at first, as I am generally wary of alternative treatments, I did read up on the method and brought several devices.

      Here is my ‘warts and all’ account: I believe Scenar can be effective but it is difficult to use. I have been on a course and have treated various ailments fairly successfully both on myself and other people with the home device. These range from autoimmune problems, sports injury, and cold and flu. Also, it works well for food poisoning or gastric problems.

      On the negative side, if it is not used properly it probably will have little effect. Also, even if used properly, the device can can cause a ‘healing crisis’ where the symptoms worsen for up to 48 hours which could be off-putting. Extended use can also cause tiredness. I think if a person is tired and physically depleted, the Scenar is much less effective or may not work at all.

      The Denas /Diadens devices claim to be similar technology- I tried these and didn’t find them effective. This device got thrown away.

      The Cosmodic (Let medic) devices are much easier to use (more or less straight out of the box) treat a wider range of conditions, promote full recovery for chronic conditions, and avoid the tiredness and healing crisis. They are also significanty more expensive. The most expensive LET devices have both Scenar and Cosmodic functions. I generally prefer the Cosmodic device and treatment method and hardly use the other and would tend to recommend this over the traditional Scenar. However, the effect is slower, and it probably doesn’t work as well for acute conditions (e.g. recent sprains).

      In summary, I’d recommend Scenar together with a trained therapist or attending a training course, but otherwise not. I’d recommend Scenar Cosmodic without training. For neurological conditions, Cosmodic is probably the only treatment which works.

      I hope this helps someone.

    Oh-too-rational said:
    September 18, 2016 at 9:35 am

    Hi rational brain.

    You have a lot of clues on this thread from peoples reaction to you that your attitude may be coming from a childhood of pain, where the rational replaced nurture and love. I am guessing, and must say here that if I i am right, I can relate to you a bit, as my poor upbringing dictates much of how I relate to people :-/.

    I found this very interesting thread because i am in 2 minds. I have no personal experience of scenar but i saw someone i knew using one 10 years ago, and she said she used it a lot and said it was brilliant. Now this would not have piqued my interest, except i knew her husband, through a mutual friend. Her husband won an Olympic gold medal in athletics, and she was (and still is as far as I know) training international athletes and international sports teams.

    The price of scenar machines and the lack of widespread usage or acceptance of them has deterred me til now. I am still sceptical. Interestingly your article and the comments have given me the best new rational evidence I have found that they do indeed work & I should go and buy one!

    I like you consider myself to be rational, and dislike unrational, not thought through attitudes. I also question other people’s loose rationality.

    As a rational man I’m sure you know what rational means. So I will explain it to everyone else. Rational has to be by definition the use of logic. There are only 2 types of logic, inductive and deductive. (A 3rd type, called mu logic has been posited from observing babies, which I find fascinating).

    Inductive logic is where you make a theory then observe real life to see if it seems to fit.

    Deductive logic is where you observe real life then make a theory that seems to fit.

    So rationality is inductive or deductive theories.

    A fascinating absolute with logic is that its impossible to prove anything. It may however be possible to disprove some theories.

    So to throw the “you still haven’t proven anything” line at people is always true for all people all the time, from a rational point of view.

    Einstein himself got very upset with people who did not understand the above about rationality, and called people who did not understand this basis for rationality, not true scientists.

    The reason why I am so swayed by the comments on this thread is that when taken at face value, many very credible people have commented that they have partaken in true scientific endeavor, and used good logic to come to the conclusion that scenar worked for them. Some with very severe problems. Interestingly, there are just a few who have done the science, and rationalised that it didn’t work for them.

    So as a reasonable man, I have to be aware of this good science. Of course like all scientific logical experiments, one has controls, and the reliability of the controls are always unknown to the researcher. One of my controls in viewing these experiments is that the commenters are all rational people of good standing, who have been totally honest when describing their experience. So it is good for me to be aware of this, and try and load it with the logical science I have done in the past that has shown me that not everyone is honest all the time 🙂 now, how many, if any, have been dishonest is outside my controls, so is completely unknown and unknowable in my rational experiment… Isn’t being rational fun!

    Now, there are 2 subjects you have mentioned that I know something about. The 1st is acupuncture, which I have practiced professionally for 30 years. The second is medical research, which I am a beginner in, but have studied a bit.

    You have fallen foul of being irrational in your statements about acupuncture. Your irrationality is obvious, just go back to 1st principles, and you, as a rational man, will see I’m sure.

    I have been conducting a rational logical experiment with acupuncture for 30 years, and have done my best to understand my experiment within the context of modern medical scientific rigor. I have gone through times thinking I help no-one above placebo. However the more data I have collected, the more the consistency of results has become clear. At present I am very satisfied that within the context of the present medical model of effacacy, acupuncture does indeed work well when administer it. Within my own need for rigor, which is far greater than that of the the modern medical model, i think, I am also satisfied. Interestingly 6 months ago I went to a conference given by 3 of the top migraine consultants in the UK. 2 of the 3 are using acupuncture personally in their hospitals to treat patients, and they told me they use it because for their patients it works. I was really pleased to meet such good rational scientists

    I am not sure if you are aware of the rigor required by medical science at present. Are you aware of the 3 levels of rigor of modern medical research? Are you also aware of the amount of research that falls into each of these 3 categories. Are you aware of how many people are required to be in a trial for it to be deemed significant? Are you also aware of placebo, how much above placebo a drug has to be in efficacy, to be deemed to “work”, or for a patient to be told “this drug works for your condition”. And how side effects of drugs are treated in trials? I was shocked when I began to discover the answers to all these questions at even a basic level. If you haven’t, I would suggest as a good starting place, to read up on the research on peripheral neuropathy.

    I am a believer in modern medicine and in drugs. I also know too well that prescribed drugs are “heavy”. They carry real risks. This is obvious, as otherwise they wouldn’t need to be prescribed. All drugs carry a mortality rate. All medical interventions carry a mortality rate. 1 in 150 breast biopsies cause a pneumothorax. If you have a suspected stroke and are admitted to hospital, the doctors can give you an injection that can save your life. But the emergency room doctor has to sweat and be ultra rational, and weigh up the evidence then make an educated guess. Why? Because he has to give the injection within 2 hours of the suspected stroke, and he knows that he will kill 1 in every 100 people he injects. Yes, the injection kills 1 in every 100. Even over the counter medicines, like asparin, have a mortality rate. I had a doctor one refuse to give me an endoscopy, as he said the risk of the procedure was greater than what it might find.

    So it is very rational if you have a medical complaint to maybe seek acupuncture or homeopathy or even maybe a scenar rubdown if possible before deciding to take drugs.

    Dont just believe the research you read about homeopathy or acupuncture. Investigate the context (the controls from a scientific method point of view) in which such trials are taking place. If nothing else ask yourself why there are so few trials outside China for acupuncture, when consultants at the highest level are practicing it. I know personally that some of the most influential doctors and scientists in usa have been for acupuncture and TCM for very serious diseases and consider themselves to have been cured by it.

    Obviously when my partner had a suspected stroke I didn’t administer acupuncture, I rushed them to hospital. Happily they are still here! And whether they had a stroke or not is still not totally clear! Such is they the vagueness of more than we care to admit of modern medicine.

    Thank you for everyone’s input here. Not totally decided re scenar, as I have a sceptical nature, and I’m not rich enough to just go and get a scenar machine to try out on my clients 🙂 I’m edging closer, though to doing some science with one..

      rationalbrain responded:
      September 18, 2016 at 11:12 am

      Wow. You like to use the word ‘rational’, don’t you? Too bad you display none of it.
      Firstly, regarding your first paragraph and insinuations about my childhood, you could not be more wrong, and secondly, fuck you, it’s irrelevant.
      Your text is an utter mess. You go on about rationality, even providing us with definitions, and then go on to ignore them.
      So, because you knew someone’s husband, who won an Olympic gold medal, all of a sudden scenar could work? Really? How many top level athletes were also doing that bogus ‘cupping’, or a few years ago, wearing those bogus rubber bracelets?
      You also display a profound lack of understanding of science if you believe that commenters could in any way constitute ‘controls’ to an experiment. That fact that they are honest or not is irrelevant. Be aware that many of them are in fact not honest – they are selling a product – like those many scenar websites.
      When you start going on about acupuncture, it confirms that you have no clue. Perhaps you need to spend more time on your ‘medical research’ hobby.
      Your discussion about ‘heavy’ drugs is just plain dumb. So you’re saying before taking drugs, try acupuncture or homeopathy. Why? Because they have no risk? OK, but they also have no effect on anything, so why bother? Why delay treatment? I suppose it keeps quacks employed, so you’re doing a public service I guess.
      And why should I not believe the research about acupuncture or homeopathy? Because you say so? Despite your claims there have been many trials of both outside of China, and time after time they have been proven to be worthless. Anyone who practices either is deluding themselves and their clients – reality has shown that over and over.
      And since to you seem to be in the UK, you will no doubt be aware that the politicians have finally seen through the sham that it is homeopathic hospitals, and many other countries are also doing the same.
      Unfortunately, it seems you too are selling something (‘affordableacupuncture’), and therefore are motivated to push this therapy and others like it. You are also therefore likely to ignore the pursuit of real evidence because of the inconvenient results, instead focusing on some intangible and un-measurable outcomes which have nothing to do actually addressing the original issue. Good luck with your business. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of suckers to part with their cash.

        interestedobserver said:
        September 19, 2016 at 6:28 am

        Wow, rational – when you start telling people to f..you etc, you are losing it, though i can understand people bringing up your own upbringing is also not done.

        Why exactly are you keeping this thread open anyhow? Its just devolved into a nasty free for all a long time back. I used scenar or a similar device a while back & it worked great for temporary pain relief. Given what we now know of inflammation, pain pathways & how the brain tends to shut off painful muscles and existing muscle imbalances get worsened, i don’t think it unreasonable that scenar like devices can have a useful (adjunct) role in sports injuries. I think its got a great role to play in that sense alone if used with proper PT & other aids. Ultrasound, heat therapy, trigger point massage – zero effect on me.

        Having said that, its completely unproven to heal severe complaints (no studies) or ailments. That part i think is fair & you have addressed that. BTW, sample studies apart, I do know of several guys whose chronic pain complaints have been addressed hugely by acupuncture. Again, sample size is limited & the exact mechanism of action – i don’t know. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that it somehow modulated or affected the fascia or specific hyper contracted points. No idea. One was a special forces guy (as hardcore as it gets) who took bullets to his pelvis & spent many years on crutches before acupuncture did make a tangible difference. At the same time, many chronic pain folks claim it didn’t do enough or anything at all. I went through some dry needling. Didn’t do much for me..so, again – not a magical answer (unfortunately!)

        I do get a mail every two weeks though of some increasingly angry exchange between you & some random stranger in which you both tear strips off of each other.Over some stuff which to be honest, is not really that important in the larger scheme of things. Since all that needed to be said seems to have been said by all sides.

        Just some food for thought, since being somebody in chronic pain, it really makes me wonder how & why such items are worth getting so worked about. For the record, the third time i used scenar (my device was called interex) its effects were nowhere as profound as the first time and second time. Made me reconsider relying on it as a long time solution for my needs. So caveat emptor as always.

        Its not like they are inexpensive. The interex device retails for some $5000 or thereabouts!

        rationalbrain responded:
        September 19, 2016 at 4:42 pm

        Firstly, please don’t think that ‘I lost it’… I very calmly, rationally and intentionally said ‘fuck you’. Seemed appropriate, since making personal assessments like the correspondent did is like reading tea leaves or predicting the future by astrology.
        Secondly, I don’t leave the ‘thread open’. The blog is just here in the blogosphere, and if anyone cares to make a comment I try to respond. I think your characterisation of ‘nasty free for all’ is off the mark however – rarely have there been angry exchanges in my recollection. Different people keep reading the blog, and keep raising the same old arguments. While I get tired of the same fallacies being presented, it means one more person might learn something or avoid getting ripped off or disappointed by bogus promises.
        You for example, also fall into the category of relying on anecdotes – what the treatment did or didn’t do for you, or your grandpa or your favourite sports personality or (now) a special forces guy. How many times does acupuncture have to return negative results before people finally agree that it doesn’t work? It just doesn’t, and never will, no matter how much wishful thinking we apply.
        To re-iterate for the x-th time, (where x is a very large integer) some of the responses I have provided:
        – yes I agree scenar could have some small pain relief effects, though there are zero decent double blind placebo-controlled tests demonstrating that. At least it’s plausible.
        – there is definitely no dbpc testing for any other ailment, so all the testimonials in the world won’t sway me.
        – most of your positive testimonials will be due to confirmation bias, or the natural cycles of diseases and illnesses – which seems to be reflected by your experience. Of course, you won’t hear of the negative testimonials. This applies for all of those therapies, including needles, cups, wax, water etc – anything which relies on mysterious energy lines and/or points or the removal of unspecified ‘toxins’.
        – Referring me to websites which just parrot your beliefs are NOT evidence.
        – I remain open to seeing some evidence in a properly conducted trial, and I urge anyone who has such evidence to educate me. Despite such urging over the years, still nothing. Ever.
        However I do hope that you find some relief to your pain. I just don’t think it will come from sources which sell miracle cures which are ancient/energy-based (point or line)/toxin-removal-based/suppressed by the medical industrial complex etc.

        akash said:
        September 21, 2016 at 4:26 am

        Anecdotes are also effectively case studies when properly documented and serve a useful purpose in the absence of a long term well funded controlled trial. I dont see thst situation changing anytime with scenar. plus i have my my own interactions with these issues to compare. and as far as i can tell interex is a useful pain relief modality but not anywhere near a huge one shot answer for chrinic conditions. cant cmment on other actions or diseases.

        rationalbrain responded:
        September 21, 2016 at 9:35 am

        It would be nice to think that anecdotes could add to the sum of knowledge, but generally they’re worthless. Being documented is not enough – it’s usually too late by the time you’re documenting results. It needs to be controlled for the biases of the observer, which in most cases is also the subject of the experiment.
        So while a single person can give a clue on the effects of something, unless you do properly controlled tests over many subjects you have no idea of efficacy and potentially side effects.
        Here’s a fictitious example. I went to Rio, felt a bit unwell afterwards, and a doctor told me I had the Zika virus. I recovered in a couple of days. All well documented, right? OK, so now I write on my blog – Zika virus is mild and safe for everyone. Obviously it’s not. You could also test it on, say, 1000 athletes from the Olympic village. All recover, right? Therefore it must be safe. But it’s not. Unless you included at least one pregnant woman and waited for the birth, you wouldn’t know it’s nasty effects. Even then, you would need many pregnant women, to know whether it affects everyone of them, or that women had some other issue. Now you’ve got serious numbers in your trial.
        Ok, so scenar doesn’t have nasty side effects, other than emptying your pocket. But it’s incorrect to claim all sorts of miraculous benefits without having thorough controlled trials. What power should it have? How long should it be applied to the affected area? Can some individuals have a bad reaction to it? Now in this case we know the answer because they are just toys with insufficient power to kill a Zika mosquito, but you get the idea.
        So if it relieves your pain, then great, enjoy. But don’t claim it ‘cures’ anything, and especially don’t assume that it will work for all people all the time.

    interestedobserver said:
    September 19, 2016 at 6:34 am

    Those russian links are interesting though. Limited sample sizes..and i wonder if multimodal therapies were used.. how do you know for sure which worked?

    Mike Rudd said:
    October 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    After experience a chronic and intense pain in my shoulder for nine months and with the problem becoming progressively worse, I deigned to visit a physiotherapist for the first time.

    The physio initially treated my shoulder with a small device that resembled a remote control. The sensation generated by the device could easily be imagined as multiple deep seated pin pricks. After a couple of minutes of treatment the intense pain within the shoulder was substantially reduced and the joint became significantly more mobile.

    When asked about the device the physio conceded that she had never used the device prior coming to this practice and that the mode of operation of the device eluded her, however, the device was called a Scenar.

    Did Scenar work for me?
    Yes.

    Did Scenar fix my shoulder?
    No, that took neigh on 10 weeks of concentrated therapy, including Scenar therapy at the start of the physio sessions, allied to an intense personal exercise regime. However, the Scenar provided near instant and easy pain relief allied with an increase in joint mobility that made the requisite stretching and strength training less painful and easier to undertake. The pain relief provide by the Scenar would last around two days and then wear off.

    What makes you think the Scenar mumbo jumbo makes sense?
    It doesn’t actually matter.
    As I happily told a bunch of friendly but rather shocked professors debating ‘Global Warming’ and ‘Peak Oil’ at a dinner table, the opinion of all the esteemed scientists that has every lived and ever will live is irrelevant when compared to one experimental result (BTW the experiment says that the Peak Oil hypothesis is dead as)
    The results of my experiment is that the Scenar device substantially reduced pain and increased joint mobility on a number of occasions for me.

    Is your pain relief and joint mobility result driven by say suggestion?
    Don’t know.

    Is your favourable Scenar result translatable to the general population?
    Don’t know.

    Roger said:
    July 5, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    Hi RationalBrain, very rational perhaps but devoid of information. That equals ignorance. You should do a little research before coming to your conclusions. Here is a page listing research papers on Scenar.
    http://www.scenar.com.ru/en/wiki/all/
    Several scenar devices have been approved by the FDA for pain control. They actually go way beyond pain control to regulate the healing process.
    If you ever have an injury or accident and decide you would rather not be another opioid addiction casualty, look for a good scenar device. But everyone should be aware that there Are crappy copycat devices on the market. Okb Ritm and Let Medical make quality devices.

      rationalbrain responded:
      July 5, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      You obviously haven’t read a fraction of this thread. If you had, you’d realise that your accusation of the lack of research is unfounded.
      I’m not going to regurgitate the entirety of the arguments in the thread – please read them.
      Just a couple of points:
      1. The link you provided is one of many, which somehow are all Russian, and which display an appalling lack of scientific rigour. Why are they only Russian? Why are there no proper tests (double blinded, placebo controlled) reported in reputable references, or perhaps anywhere else but Russia? Instead of providing a link, which is the lazy way to make your argument, provide me some high quality studies which support the claims – which include curing diseases like diabetes etc. Pick the best example and let me know. However, I’m not expecting anything from you – because a. you won’t bother to look for anything of high quality, and b. there are no such studies to my knowledge. Despite inviting the hundreds of commenters on this thread to provide me with evidence of a good high quality study, not one person has come through with anything. Does that tell you anything?
      2. I have in past conceded that the devices may provide some elementary pain relief – again, there are no decent studies, but at least there’s a plausible mechanism of action. But you would know this if you’d read the thread.
      3. ‘Approved by the FDA’ does not mean that the FDA has confirmed the efficacy of the device. As you should know, it just means that the FDA is comfortable that they do no harm.
      Prove me wrong. Provide the evidence of scenar curing a disease. Good luck.

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