MyTelekinesis – One more magnet for loonies

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Update for visitors from MyTelekinesis – you’re most welcome to make comments, and I’ll try to get to them all. But be aware we may be in different time zones, so your post may not be published for quite some time, since I read and release each and every item.

Also note that I will not publish abusive emails, as submitted by one of your number already.

Of course, you call all foresee that I would do that.

 

Here’s a bit of fun.

While surfing that great wonderful world wide web the other day, I came across this marvellous site: MyTelekinesis.

Normally, with a wacky website, one could judiciously select some key aspects of the site to discuss and, where necessary, point out the folly of the arguments or points being made.

But with this amazing site, I wouldn’t bother. Actually, the only challenge is to avoid laughing out loud.

Never have a seen such a collection of self-deluded nutters in all my time surfing the web. And just to show they are not power-ist, under the tab for “Telekinesis”, is the “Other Powers” tab. Now, if I had another power, I think I’d be offended at being lumped in with the other wackos.

The Telekinesis section is a bit pedestrian compared to some of the other sections in ‘Other powers’. Try Chronoportation/Time Travel Basics, for instance. In this little piece we are told how to move through time. Readers of rationalbrain will not be surprised to learn that:

To accomplish chronoportation, you must first learn how  to manipulate the quantum mechanical wave function

Of course you do. The writer goes on..

Once you have educated yourself, begin reading this again. To control the wave function, first you must see its workings. Look at a solid object, and
focus on as small of an area as possible. You will see the flickering of energy that makes up the object. Once you are focused, look even deeper, until you can see the molecules themselves. This takes a great deal of time to get good at, so just be patient-you are not using your physical eyes, but rather ESP to see what you are seeing, so make sure that you are in a quiet area, free of distraction. Once you can peer into the molecular scale, focus on seeing the sub-atomic. This is actually the hardest part of controlling the wave function-once you have mastered the ability of seeing the sub-atomic, the rest is comparatively easy.

Yep. From there I chronoported with ease.

Now look a bit further in ‘Other powers’ page. Note all the various -kinesis powers available. Seems that people like to control stuff from a distance. My personal favourite is Lactokinesis. Yep, LACTOkinesis. As you would expect, they define this as:

Lactokinesis is the ability to move milk and dairy products with the mind.

Oh man, would that be useful. Why, you could stir your coffee without the aid of a spoon, and get that piece of cheese onto a cracker without a cheese knife. Just think of the possibilities! And then there’s:

Halokinesis is the ability to manipulate salt.

That could be useful for.. for.. I’m thinking… seasoning your food without a salt receptacle of any kind?

It seems that many of these powers could be used to clear your house out of a whole range of bits and pieces, saving you money and storage space.

This one comes with a warning:

What you are about to read next is dangerous material. I’ve contacted admin so this article won’t be edited after I finish it. Everyone has the right to know this information. Necrokinesis is the ability to modify or incur death. There are different ways to make this happen, but they all require an extreme amount of mental power. Think about it this way: moving an object is relatively simple compared to killing someone.

Oooohhh. I’m scared now.

Sick of manipulating stuff with your mind? You could head over and investigate invisibility, or take some lessons in remote viewing, or any of hundreds of very cool things to do – too many to waste time talking about here.

For my final highlight, head over to the Creation-Multiverse page. You know how much I enjoy that stuff, right? Well, this is a doozy.

If you enjoyed my discussion about conjecture over the origin of the universe, and the earlier one on parallel universes, you’ll love this. Forget the conjecture – the answer is right here. This writer presents us with the actual structure of the multiverse. Here’s a taste (click on the picture to zoom):

Oh yeah. It’s so simple, I don’t know how we missed it. And the author is able to describe how it works in just a few short paragraphs. Kudos to you. I’m particularly fascinated by why there are ‘blocks’ between some verses, and overlaps between others? What’s in the blocks? It’s very handy that they can stop ‘high vibration level entities’ from crossing between the Underworlds and Demon verse, otherwise we’d be in strife. And what’s the Hell/Death overlap all about? It seems to me that the two should totally overlap, since I can’t see how you can be in hell but not dead. Perhaps it’s just my limited thinking.

Anyway, as I said, this site is one great pile of steaming lunacy, although as I write that I feel that I am doing a disservice to the mentally ill. This site is patronised by what must be some sad, deluded people with nothing in their life but to dream about, or pretend to have powers of some sort. A good proportion of people on the site are no doubt in it for a few bucks, conning those sad, deluded types.

If only this section of humanity focused their brains on exploring reality rather than concocting fairy tales then we’d all be better off. And maybe this WWW is not such a great thing after all.

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81 thoughts on “MyTelekinesis – One more magnet for loonies

    MyBrainHurts said:
    February 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    RB I just cleaned my carpet without the vacuum! I think it’s called suckedinkinesis.

      rationalbrain said:
      February 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      If you had the power of dustokinesis, you could clean up without even using the vacuum cleaner, so don’t laugh. It’s serious.

    Ravi said:
    May 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Im a mod there. I agree there are many completely fake people there, but if you stuck around, youd fine some reasonable if not legit people there. Were working on getting the problems out of the site. Theres been a giant lapse in mods doing their jobs. Some mods were replaced, others told they have to enforce the rules with fair strictness.

    If youre interested in some real spiritual talk, you can PM me. My name there is Ravi.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 2:52 pm

      No, thanks anyway Ravi. I don’t believe in the spiritual world, but appreciate your polite approach. You’re welcome back anytime to comment on anything I write.

    Anonymous said:
    May 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    If I’m reading this correctly you forgot to read some things. First you forgot to read the ‘Whats BS and what’s not.’ which that map was on. Then you forgot to mention the scientific explanation. Then have te nerve to post on here and not even Ask someone? Because they proved it to me, when unasked them to do something, and then got smacked in the back of the head with nothing.

    God the ignorance these days. It’ll be the end of this world.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      What scientific explanation? It’s a joke, right? What am I going to ask someone – how was the demon verse constructed? what are the thermodynamics of the hell verse? Please, get real.
      As for the second half of your comment, I’m sorry I can’t understand it.
      You say someone proved that multiverse to you? If so, then you’ve been had.
      Yes, there’s ignorance in the world – but it’s ignorance of what’s real and what’s fantasy. Most, if not all, of this site is pure fantasy but is at least entertaining. I pity the poor buggers who shell out money for some of the crap, but then again, it’s their money I guess.
      Anyhow, didn’t realise that only gullible or true believers were allowed to post. But then again that site is such a dog’s breakfast it’s hard to work anything out.
      Good luck travelling through the multiverse – send me a postcard from the Angelic Verse. I hear it’s nice this time of year.

    Spiderdude101 said:
    May 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    These are people’s believes. Let people be how they want and don’t trample them.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 2:49 pm

      I’m not trampling on them. Just laughing at them. You are free to laugh at my beliefs too.
      And if you don’t wish to be laughed at, don’t write such funny stuff.
      Really.

    Ravi said:
    May 21, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Neither side should be laughing at the the other. We should be doing whats best for all of our educations, and working out an agreeable process to troubleshoot the legitimacy of each sides claims.

    Viktor said:
    May 21, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I agree with Ravi. Im also a mod there, and I say theres a lot of bullshit, but real stuff is in there, too. If you want a real talking-to about metaphysics, my username there is Shade000, or, my Facebook is Viktor Parlov, from Murmansk, Russia.
    Thank you for your time.

    Fuzzywaffle29 said:
    May 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    You guys r close minded. Anything that is out of normal you automaticly shootdown regardless. Lactokinesis was a joke article posted by some idiot i will give you that. You can not say something is fake until you experince it for yourself and disprove it multiple times. I would challange you to put some real effort in to this kind of stuff, you will get results.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm

      Obviously the whole community has now woken up to what the real world thinks of their site.
      Listen guys – some things are just so filled with bullshit that you CAN say it’s fake.
      And the onus is on you to PROVE your claims, not for me to disprove.
      For example, I challenge any of you to prove ANY of the …kinesis modalities. I mean really prove.
      Take the JREF million dollar challenge for example.
      But none of you will. It’s all hot air and hand-waving. And a huge dose of wishful thinking.
      When I was a kid, I used to wish I could move things by waving my finger at them – like Uncle Martin in ‘My Favourite Martian’.
      But it was wishful thinking. Fantasy.
      And almost everything on this site that I’ve looked at is just that.

    Ravi said:
    May 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    The spiritual parts of metaphysics is something youd be crazy to believe without experiencing it in a way that satisfies your inner skeptic. However, there is nothing unhealthy about at least attempting to find out of “kinesis” abilities are possible.

    Physical abilities involve manufacturing effects that happen naturally in the world. You make air vibrate in such a way, you get combustion. You make water vibrate faster, it warms up. Its all about doing things done by the earth itself, or even machines, with our own bodies.

    The hard truth is 99.9% of people with any control over these physics only have enough skills to do things that can be explained away. There are loads of videos on youtube where people set up blatant tricks to make people think they used TK. Theres also some out there where people actually do it, to some extent, and its all shot down because of the fakers. You kind of have to have faith in someones word to believe things that arent so blatantly done with TK, or another ability.

    I can produce unbiased, completely real results, without any “boosts” from AC, fans, an imbalanced table, or whatever else. I more likely than not wont prove it, because I hold the saying “to each their own,” very close to my heart. Its possible for everyone to use these abilities with practice, so i wont bear the burden of proof when they can fulfill the requirements themselves. Yes, this makes me sound like another person who will just backdown when it comes down to it, but i dont like to go outside my morals. I respect your opinion of me because of my refusal, and i know its a very sane decision to not believe since i wont prove it. I will, however, ask that you give this a shot. Maybe we wont look so crazy if you manage to do this yourself?

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      Ravi,
      Thanks for the polite comment, unlike most of your colleagues.
      I’m interested in your last para – why can’t you prove it to me or anyone else?
      What bothers me is that people make all these wild claims, which run counter to everything humans have learned and know about the world, and yet not one of you can demonstrate it to another human being who doesn’t have these so-called powers.
      Does that not sound suspicious to you?
      What are we to make of your claims?

    Ravi said:
    May 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I forgot to note that the JREF challenge doesnt include airtight containers, so its not going to be objective evidence even if someone does win the 1 million in bonds.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      This sounds like ‘special pleading’ – just another excuse why you can’t demonstrate what you are claiming.

    Anonymous said:
    May 21, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Ravi, fuzzy waffle , glad you could make it, wheres shade?

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      Sounds like we’re rallying the troops! Huzzah!

    Anonymous said:
    May 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Such ignorance in rational brain. If only some of the good people were left on that site, and not all the fakers. In the end of the day rational, we can do that and you can’t. You may think we’re stupid, and not believe, but truthfully you don’t know, no one will if they stick to there own perception of reality so tightily. How did we discover the world was round, that the sun revolved around the earth. Huh, if you really want know go on there and find, Shade000, or Agash_lark, and if you don’t that just proves your to stubborn or ignorant to what’s been proven countless times on that site alone, and your best argument the laws of physics. Yeah, it perfectly co exists with it, so think about it. While you sit at your computer know that there are millions of them, and there’s just one of you, and I can say, you’ve pissed off a good 8000 of them. Good luck.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 5:06 pm

      Millions of them; 8000 on the site.
      Not one of them can prove their powers. Right?
      Oh, I hear you say, they never work if someone is looking, or if I don’t believe, or if it’s raining, or if it’s a tuesday.
      So it’s been proved on the site huh. Please provide a reference on that site to anything that’s been proved. Anything at all that isn’t a wild claim.
      So here’s one for you.
      I have the power to type without using my fingers. I’m willing the keys to type this message now. It’s called PC-kinesis. Prove I can’t. You’re just narrow minded if you don’t believe me.
      And please, try and utilise a modicum of grammar when writing your comments, just so non-clairvoyants can understand what the hell you’re on about.

        Anon. said:
        July 3, 2012 at 10:42 pm

        75% or more of the Mytelekinesis are total fakes but I took a look in the “Videos” section and it looks like there are a few members that are genuine.Besides,if you research the science behind REAL “abilities” you’ll be rather surprised.Sure there’s a lot of bullshit,but you seem to have skipped over everything that isn’t.
        Then again,there’s no point in arguing since it’s your choice to believe or not.

        rationalbrain said:
        July 4, 2012 at 8:21 am

        Two things, Anon.
        Firstly, as I’ve said to one of your colleagues, videos ARE NOT proof. I’ve made my own to demonstrate that. I could make many more. Stuff is easy to fake in person, let alone on video. So looking at videos on the site will only give me some exercise in figuring out how it’s done (or at least a good laugh).
        Secondly, how do I ‘research the science’ behind ‘real’ abilities? In what scientific journals are these documented? What cases studies have been analysed and documented in a scientific fashion. Here’s your problem: the answers are NOWHERE, NONE and NONE, respectively.
        If you have any scientific evidence, based on properly constituted trials, then I would love to see it, and so would the whole reality-based community. But as I’ve said before, I’m betting you can’t provide it. So how do I separate the bullshit from the non-bullshit, since it looks the same?

      rationalfollower said:
      June 5, 2012 at 10:06 am

      please tell me where i can find the evidence on the sun revolving around the earth. thanx

    Nemesis said:
    May 21, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Lol you guys are here.
    Nice review; grammar’s great.
    Info, not so great.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Grammar’s great???
      It seems to me like magic powers and grammatical skills are inversely proportional.
      Just sayin.

        rationalmind said:
        May 21, 2012 at 8:29 pm

        ‘rationalbrain’ is your chosen username, doesn’t that mean you should think rationally?
        Doesn’t that mean you should think before you mock or judge people?

        Now, I am not agreeing with that website but I am not disagreeing with it either.
        I am just pointing out that your attitude towards it is wrong. I felt obliged to correct you, since your article felt like an insult to all of the people who really do think rationally.

        First of all, Albert Einstein said it himself: ”Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”

        Let me explain; matter itself is energy (E=m*c²), therefore everything we can observe in our physical reality is simply energy. Energy itself is just a disturbance in the space-time fabric (which is ’empty-space’).

        Furthermore, Einstein thought that the matter-warps-space theory could be interpreted in either of two ways: Either matter causes a warp in space, or matter is a warp in space.
        There is no reason inherent in his equations to favour the one interpretation over the other. And that leads to an interesting discovery. It solves the Mystery of Matter.

        You and I are just a few dimples in the infinite nothingness.

        If reality is an illusion, doesn’t it make it susceptible to manipulation?
        Humanity knows close to nothing about the Universe, heck we haven’t even discovered all of the different life forms on Earth.

        The universe is filled with many mysteries that science cannot yet resolve; from black holes to vacuum, from how the pyramids were made to the nature of quantum-particles.

        Magic is just something your science cannot yet explain.

        Frankly, your blind-beliefs and close-minded close minded attitude makes you comparable to a religious fanatic. Really I am disappointed, you judged these people without thinking enough about the things that matters.

        I’ll finish with a quote for you to think about:

        “All truth passes through three stages:
        first, it is ridiculed;
        next it is violently attacked;
        finally, it is held to be self-evident.”
        — Schopenhauer

        Peace,
        I hope you open your mind, and start behaving like that username you chose.

        rationalbrain said:
        May 21, 2012 at 9:17 pm

        ‘rationalbrain’ is your chosen username, doesn’t that mean you should think rationally?
        Doesn’t that mean you should think before you mock or judge people?

        No it doesn’t – in this case it’s quite rational to reject the obviously false. Even some of your own members are telling me stuff on this website is BS. What do you expect?

        Let me explain; matter itself is energy (E=m*c²), therefore everything we can observe in our physical reality is simply energy. Energy itself is just a disturbance in the space-time fabric (which is ‘empty-space’).

        No, let me explain. You clearly have no grasp of physics or cosmology. Quote mining is pointless. It is incorrect to say that everything we observe is energy. It’s not. It can however be converted to energy, as the equation says, but it’s simply not energy. And the only disturbance in space-time is gravity. And space-time is not ’empty-space’ as you put it. Let’s face it, you have simply picked up some jargon and twisted it.

        If reality is an illusion, doesn’t it make it susceptible to manipulation?

        Yes I can manipulate reality – I’m doing it now. But not using telekinesis.

        The universe is filled with many mysteries that science cannot yet resolve; from black holes to vacuum, from how the pyramids were made to the nature of quantum-particles.

        Magic is just something your science cannot yet explain.

        I agree. See Arthur C Clarke on that one. Science solves mysteries over time. Believers in mysticism just accept it, no questions asked.

        Frankly, your blind-beliefs and close-minded close minded attitude makes you comparable to a religious fanatic

        Yes, I often hear that nonsense. Religion is belief in a deity – complete faith with evidence. Since I’m obviously asking for evidence, how is that religion? Again, you mis-use words to make a lame point.

        In closing, my mind is as open as they come. I’m open to being convinced about the existence of psi. Really. I just don’t believe it without being shown, or without any evidence being put forward over hundreds of years of enquiry. If you can show me I’ll believe. But I just think the probability of it being true is exceedingly, vanishingly small.

        “All truth passes through three stages:
        first, it is ridiculed;
        next it is violently attacked;
        finally, it is held to be self-evident.”

        Yes, that’s true – but the quote refers to truth. That’s where your argument breaks down I’m afraid. You’re not presenting me the truth. No-one has truth, we only have beliefs and theories which describe the world better or worse. Gravity describes the world very well, therefore it’s close to truth. But fairies describe the world poorly, and hence are not. The latter is the same for psi. It does not relate to the world we see around us at all, except in the imaginations of the people on your website.

    […] folks over at MyTelekinesis have just cottoned onto the article I wrote some time ago about their folksy little […]

    fgopl said:
    May 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I was one of the actually legit members, but I left. The site was getting overcrowded with DBZ BS and clique telling lies about their “godhood”.

    I decided that to actually do anything with my mind other than the usual, I’d have to leave completely. Nothing productive happens there anymore.

    *In case you’re wondering, ove actuallý proven my abilities in live videochatrooms dozens of times, and for extended times, too. I won’t show you, if you wanted to ask. I’ve proven myself enough times that I no longer find it necessary to do it again.

    But seriously – the majority of those articles, I didÑt write. Take a look at my last few. 😉
    I wrote a bit about how the site is a laughingstock. As you just. Made clear, NOBODY LISTENED. I agree with this, save your disbelief in the capability of the mind.

      Spiderdude101 said:
      May 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      Sorry Rationial brain to be so harsh, but yeah only 1000-2000 members are active and only 10% try there best to be real. I’m not like real as in they don’t believe but as they actuallaty do something metaphysical. (I believe in this stuff, if you don’t mind, you don’t have to that’s ok.) Also Fgopl, they told me you left for a month, not forever.

        rationalbrain said:
        May 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm

        Sorry mate – just can’t understand you comment. Try again pls.

    rationalmind said:
    May 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Oh, so you leave other people’s comments pass but not mine?

    Nice censorship. Bravo!

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm

      I’ve blocked just one: yours because it was abusive, and I don’t need to put up with that. Get it? You’re a guest here.

    rationalmind said:
    May 21, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    ”space-time is not ‘empty-space’ as you put it.”
    What I wrote was ”Space-time fabric”, if you are to quote something, do it properly. Yes, space-time fabric and empty space are interchangeable terms, in fact they are often combined and described as ‘Empty Space-(time)’.

    ”Religion is belief in a deity – complete faith with evidence. Since I’m obviously asking for evidence, how is that religion? Again, you mis-use words to make a lame point.” Here is was referring to your close mindedness, not that you were part of a Religion. Once more, just misinterpretation of what I wrote.
    The way you mocked this particular website in you article made me think that you were not such an open minded thinker. If you really wanted evidence you would have looked for it elsewhere, like on Youtube for instance.

    ”Yes, that’s true – but the quote refers to truth. ” What makes you think I am not referring to to the truth? What makes you think you really know the truth?

    I am running out of time, but for clarification on my ”matter is energy” point, please read this web page:
    http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/01/q-is-it-true-that-all-matter-is-simply-condensed-energy/

    Please also educate yourself about the wave theory; that everything is a particle and a wave.

    Peace

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 10:15 pm

      Oh man, are you deluded.
      You have no idea about wave theory. Not everything is a particle and a wave – that is pure fantasy based on what we know about the quantum world. See my series on that. You’re on my turf now, not you made-up world. For example, tell me the implications of Schroedinger;s non-linear time-invariant wave equation, without cut/pasting from wikipedia.
      At least we agree on the Peace, right!
      Peace to you.

        rationalmind said:
        May 22, 2012 at 3:50 am

        Me, deluded?
        I’m not going to waste any more time explaining to you why you’re incorrect. My efforts in doing so have been replied to viscously–you’re not trying to make sense of what I am writing, you’re trying to prove me wrong. You’re ignoring the point in which I am correct, and try to expose failure where there is none.

        I don’t know what kind of person you are, nor am I trying to judge you, but the impression you’re giving me is of an arrogant, stuck-up person.

        Again, you make me think of a religious fanatic; believing that your book is the one only truth and that all others are bound to be false.

        Last time you answered my comparison by: ”Since I’m obviously asking for evidence, how is that religion?”

        It’s not the fact that you are asking for proof, it’s more that you are not open to the possibility of it occurring, you’ve set your mind that it is impossible.

        Here are some words for you to think about; ”All great truths begin as blasphemies.” ~George Bernard Shaw

        Do not bother answering, this is for you to think about, not to fight. Also I probably won’t ever come back to this website again, so really, there is no point.

        To clarify one last time, the point of my comment wasn’t to prove these people on that website were right, it was to show to you that your way of thinking isn’t good.

        For the last time, I wish you peace.

        May you accept your weaknesses and turn them to strength, or bathe forever in your ignorance.

        rationalfollower said:
        June 5, 2012 at 9:31 am

        rational, where do you find the time to bother with these loonies!

    Viktor said:
    May 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    If it comes to it, I can and have dempnstrated telekinesis in person to people. However, if I were to post a YouTube video of me moving a playing card, indoors, with no fans or anything to disturb the card, I feel you would find some reason to call it fake, regardless f how carefully I set up my demonstration.

    So that is why I havent just given you a dropbox link to a video I made, because, when a mind completely ridicules

      rationalfollower said:
      June 5, 2012 at 9:36 am

      Rational thinkers would find many reasons to call this home-made movie fake, you’re right. But don’t worry, with something as major and earth-shattering as what you can prove, i’m sure you dont need to bother with youtube… just go straight to the media, or something!

    Viktor said:
    May 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    (completing my post)

    …something, even when empirical evidebce is granted, the brain will still naturally invent a reason to dismiss what is seen, rather than change its viewpoint.

    Viktor said:
    May 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Oh, another note. Both me and several friends actually went through the process to claim the JREF prize for proving psychic ability, mostly because a million dollars sounded REALLY nice.

    However, #1 the people at JREF are not skeptics; they are unreasonable freaks. #2 The rules stipulate that Mr Randi can withhold the prize, EVEN IF genuine abilities are proven to be real.

    Obviously Im not foolish enough to drive to JREF and jump through hoops, only to be gypped out of my money.

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 10:22 pm

      Again, sounds like a convenient excuse.
      Why didn’t you take it to the media, show them, and call Randi out on it. I would have.

        Viktor said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm

        Thats a good idea. But, as you know, news TV is filtered through censors that erase things they dislike. What makes you think I would s

        rationalbrain said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:29 pm

        Your email seems to have been cut off – try again.
        However, I’m sure they would love something like that – can’t see why they would censor it.
        Worth a try, isn’t it?

        Viktor said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:30 pm

        ….successfully get on the air? Comeon, how many news folk wouldnt laugh and kick me out if I said i wanted a slot to demonstrate tk? At best, they would caption the segment “Talented Illusionist”. However, to show I am not just giving excuses, I will contact news networks today, and I will keep you informed of their responses.

        rationalbrain said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:34 pm

        Great – let me know, and I’m happy to publish progress.
        I know there are a number of sensationalist programs here that would kill for some convincing story like that.
        Equally, we also have some vocal groups who would challenge your abilities.
        We all remember Peter Popov, right?

        NeilRichard said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:38 pm

        Shade…. Let’s just not play with our ‘food’

      Viktor said:
      May 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm

      Here is the verbatim quote of what I just sent to KFOR news network

      Hello Kfor, and good day. I am a psychic/telekinetic (I know it sounds silly), yet, I was wondering if your news network could run a story about real, legitimate metaphysics, if I gave empirical evidence on camera?w

      Thanks for your time.

      If they respond, Ill let you know. Unlike many, I can give at least some evidence, and, thus, I will, if permitted.

        rationalbrain said:
        May 21, 2012 at 10:45 pm

        Viktor.
        Cool. Email me.
        rb.

    KiBoyPL said:
    May 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    rationalbrain, not even a three months ago i was just like you…i didn’t give a shit about anything like that (god – doesn’t exist , devils – too, demons – too angels – too paranormal powers – THEY don’t exist either! ) and now, after a three months of training, i can do some of them… (being open minded really helps)

      rationalbrain said:
      May 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm

      Cool. Enjoy.

      Seeker said:
      May 22, 2012 at 3:24 am

      Okay….seeker has arrived…
      Guys…shrug this off
      This is nothing…the art of psionics and many other metaphysical pratices/arts has been frowned upon for centuries…
      This 1 site should be nothing
      Most people in this world believe not of we believe…
      To the members of Rational Brain….you cannot exspect everyone to have the same beliefs

        rationalfollower said:
        June 5, 2012 at 9:48 am

        We don’t. Hence the forum encouraging comments from people with diffderent beliefs….

      rationalfollower said:
      June 5, 2012 at 9:39 am

      You can ‘do’ god, devils, demons and angels?

    Max said:
    May 22, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Hi shade, fuzzy, ravi.
    RB, I am a member on the site, and:
    1: the lactoK article was a joke.
    2: many people actually can prove their abilities, but what is the point of it if you won’t believe them?
    3: you want to prove all this is Fake with a capital F? Try this on the link, just once, with an open mind: http://www.mytelekinesis.com/guide–learning-kinetics-and-its-channelneurosis.htm

      rationalfollower said:
      June 5, 2012 at 9:41 am

      who proved what?? when?? tell me!

    Harry Hunter said:
    May 22, 2012 at 1:24 am

    LOL cant believe i used to be part of that pile of bullshit. Bunch of depressed teens who think blowing a piece of paper to make it move is magic.

    A little light entertainment | Pharyngula said:
    May 22, 2012 at 1:48 am

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    abenthy said:
    May 22, 2012 at 1:59 am

    Dear god. This critic is only talking about the nonsense we try to eliminate. Seems we failed. I just hope he didn’t find that stupid mind rape article.

    Ravi said:
    May 22, 2012 at 2:43 am

    Rationalbrain, i never said i cant prove it to you, i said i wont, since you could prove it to yourself with practice. You ridicule our claims, calling them “obviously false” and then expect US to prove what YOU want to know. It doesnt work that way man. You wanna learn science, you go to class and study. You want to learn how to manipulate the magnetic field around your body, go study how to do it. It is not our responsibility to prove things to you that you could prove to yourself. Youd possibly even gain enough skill to turn it into a useful skill.

    If our claims are so obviously false, why is it we (however sporadic or rare the occurence is, due to the general amount of bs around the sites) are told how we feel, about events in our past, etc, without even mentioning the stuff to anyone? Youre not going to get quality proof at the snap of your fingers, its best to wait for someone to tell you something about yourself, or your past, family, etc, that you dont even so much as hint at.

    I understand and respect your skepticism, but you have no proof that all this is “obviously false” because a group which contains a mere few legit people refuse to give you proof on demand. MYTK has the largest population of any online energy community, or OEC. It also has the largest amount of fluff. If you want proof fast, if suggest going to an IRC channel, and asking nicely, and without being pushy about your beliefs. I know you have every right to be pushy on your site, but it will only get them to ban you there. They are alot less tolerant than mytk is, when it comes to non believers.

    If you attempt to apply to be on the JREF challenge, you have to submit a video to them if you make a claim. If you prove youre legit, you dont get on the show. Its a catch 22 so he doesnt have to pay the million dollars. If you dont believe me, try to apply.

    Even if they did let you on if you didnt prove yourself on video, the area where the challenge is done isnt airtight, so the most obviously noticable ability, TK, will be able to be written off as random coincidence. They will write it off somehow. Call it an excuse, thats your right, but id appreciate it if youd at least go through the application process before you criticize our reasoning for not doing the JREF challenge.

    azurephoenix54 said:
    May 22, 2012 at 3:30 am

    The website is 98% bullshit , this is a site of little kids. However, you should try to do a review to sites like Veritas (vsociety.net) they actually have scientific theories. You picked the one site that all other metaphysical sites make fun of, good job. 😀

    Nyomi said:
    May 22, 2012 at 5:37 am

    I’m agreeing with nearly everyone else here from mytk. While there ARE a ton of ppl, only about 1500 are active, and maybe half at the most, AT THE MOST, are truthful. I respect your beliefs, but i have to say, while some of us ARE loons, some of us aren’t. I suppose some people dont prove it cuz there afraid scientists are going to cut them up, and some dont because they’ve already proved it theres not point, and some are just fakers. I understand your skeptism, as i know plenty skeptics.
    However, if you found a person willing to show you, take them to a lab, and have some brain mri thing done, you can see its scientific proof it’s real.

    I’m sorry certain people have been rude, but it’s them defending their beliefs, i suppose.

    anon said:
    May 22, 2012 at 6:11 am

    I’m not going to say much here, nor am I going to take a side in this arguement, but my opinion is this:
    I believe there are forces beyond our comprehension that can be manipulated in a way we may have not yet discovered.

    […] H/T: Pharyngula and RationalBrain […]

    corio37 said:
    May 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “While there ARE a ton of ppl, only about 1500 are active, and maybe half at the most, AT THE MOST, are truthful.”

    How do you tell the difference?

      rationalfollower said:
      June 5, 2012 at 9:45 am

      BSkinesis: the ability to remove BS with your mind. The site goes blank

    Ravi said:
    May 23, 2012 at 4:11 am

    Rationalbrain, could you do me a favor, please, and remove the article titled “Internet: So THAT’S how it’s done! | Religious Atrocities” from your blog? All it does it make fun of us, and contributes nothing of value to our little debate here ^_^

    Of Time and Telekinesis « rationalbrain said:
    May 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    […] blogging time has, in the past couple of weeks, been soaked up responding to comments following the little article I wrote about the MyTelekinesis […]

    David said:
    June 4, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Guy is talking shit online, he’s obviously just a butt hurt 12 year old who tried to act like Magneto and failed so he gave up.

    rationalfollower said:
    June 5, 2012 at 9:49 am

    We don’t. Hence the forum encouraging comments from people with different beliefs….

    […] another bunch of people who’ve drunk the kool-aid of the paranormal, much like our friends at MyTelekinesis. (Hi guys, where ya bin? It’s awfully quiet when you’re not around. I know, too busy […]

    JAFFA said:
    October 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    ok, i just read the entire conversation – and just so you know i am a member from that site too.
    i can see where both sides of this debate is coming from.
    but, even if we were to try to prove something to you, how would we do that if even video is not a way for us to prove psionics to you?
    do we just turn up on your doorstep?(that was a joke, i’m not gonna stalk you XD)
    my point is, no matter what we do, you stubborn skeptics are always gonna come up with some ridiculous excuse to even the most legit evidence, so what’s the point in trying?
    its like trying to bang down a brick wall with your bare hands only.
    that’s all i wanted to say, not joining the debate here:)

      rationalbrain responded:
      October 22, 2012 at 3:57 pm

      ok, i just read the entire conversation – and just so you know i am a member from that site too.

      rb> Great, welcome to the conversation, although it’s been quite a while since your buddies gave up on me!

      i can see where both sides of this debate is coming from.
      but, even if we were to try to prove something to you, how would we do that if even video is not a way for us to prove psionics to you?
      do we just turn up on your doorstep?(that was a joke, i’m not gonna stalk you XD)
      my point is, no matter what we do, you stubborn skeptics are always gonna come up with some ridiculous excuse to even the most legit evidence, so what’s the point in trying?
      its like trying to bang down a brick wall with your bare hands only.
      that’s all i wanted to say, not joining the debate here:)

      rb> I understand what you’re saying. Let me try to explain this once again. The thing is that ‘we stubborn skeptics’ seem stubborn because we simply demand a high standard of evidence. Unfortunately for your side, video is a long way short of that. For example, video tells us that people can travel to the stars in fantastic star ships – it’s right there on my screen. And much as I would like it to be true, I know it’s fiction. That’s video evidence for you. And I’ve sat at a table with James Randi, and had him disappear cutlery before my eyes. You would swear it disappeared, and also bent. But it was trickery and skill.
      The bottom line is, that our senses can deceive us, because of our evolutionary programming to take short cuts and make assumptions because it’s quicker.The most famous example of this is the old rustling bushes. It could be just the wind, or it could be a tiger. We are programmed to assume it’s a tiger first, because it will assure the survival of the species. That sort of short-cut (heuristic) persists to this day with all sorts of activities. We like to assume ‘agency’ – that someone or something is responsible for doing something intentionally. So if we see a blur in a photo, it’s not just flare in the lens, it’s a ghost. If we hear house creaking, it’s not temperature changes, it’s the spirits talking.
      Get the idea?
      We can’t trust our senses. So we have devised a way to overcome their limitations, and it’s called…. the SCIENCE method.
      With this method we are able to remove the effects of our senses when assessing something. We like to control the environment to be sure there’s nothing else going on – like a lens flaring, or temperature moving the walls, or the wind blowing the bushes.
      That’s why I can’t be convinced by videos (I made one myself just to prove a point – hope you saw it – how’d I do it?).
      I will only be convinced by a properly controlled test. For example: my own telekinesis video. I would expect scientists and illusionists to first do an initial examination sitting around a table. Then they would impose all sorts of conditions to control for things like me blowing on the item, or having a fine thread on my fingers etc etc, and even them providing the item to move. If I convinced them, I would expect to also have to convince an independent group.
      Then it would get written up in a respectable journal.
      If it got this far (I’d be amazed if it ever does), the media would go crazy, and everyone on the planet would want a piece of me.
      Once I’d convinced everyone, science would be in over-drive, trying to explain why we have just trashed everything about physics we ever knew!

      But, you don’t see any of this hysteria, right? That’s because none of your mates ever gets past the video.
      They’re never able to deliver in controlled conditions. Never.

      So when someone does, and the article appears in Science, I’ll revise my opinion.
      Sorry about the rambling, but it’s so clear to me I can help myself!
      Cheers
      rb.

        JAFFA said:
        October 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        as i said before, i understand your point. (if i ‘do something’ i try to make sure that its not coincidence)
        i am just saying that each of us believes in something – whether it is religion or something like psionics – it is just sometimes hard to prove what you think or know to be true.
        its like someone questioning you on how you know Jesus once lived among us – if you’re christian like me, then you will know that there is some proof to this, but sometimes not enough to convince others in what you believe in – it’s called a Faith.
        also, you don’t need to quote my whole comment, like you did above – i know what i said.

        rationalbrain responded:
        October 22, 2012 at 7:12 pm

        Thanks for the unsolicited formatting advice. I sometimes do that when there are separate points to address, so that readers don’t have to jump back and forth. You are not the only intended reader. As it happens there was no need in your case. We all have our cross to bear.
        I accept that we all believe in something. The difference between is that my side doesn’t insist that something is ‘the truth’ without being able to prove it.
        If you’re saying that your proof that Jesus once lived among us is faith, then I don’t buy it. The simple reason is that faith is the opposite of proof – it is by definition accepting something without proof. But I certainly don’t question your belief. Perhaps though it’s a pointer to why you also accept psionics. You take it on faith.
        And from what I read, there seems to be no question that Jesus once lived among us, as you put it. The real question is whether there was anything supernatural about him.
        It’s a pity he’s not around today, so that he could ask his old man to quit with the earthquakes out your way 😉

    JAFFA said:
    October 22, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    lol, thanksXD

    the reason why i (and others) were arguing with you, was because you openly humiliated the website and the people on it. i agree, like the other members, that our site does have a lot of fluff and BS on it, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some good people and info on there.
    i think most of us just wanted you to know that the article you wrote offended some of us, and we felt obliged to defend ourselves and our friends.
    everyone has their opinions and beliefs – we respect you and your opinions and hope that you respect us and our opinions too.

    Peace RB
    🙂

      rationalbrain responded:
      October 22, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      Yes, cool.
      I did get that there are good people on there.
      But it is hard to tell the difference between the BS and the well intentioned stuff – that’s the problem.
      Be aware that there will be impressionable kids (and adults) who buy it all. Instead of them learning about the wonders of the real world, they’re learning about moving milk with your mind and the demon verse or whatever. Sheer fantasy. Not that I dislike fantasy, as long as it’s acknowledged as such.
      So I called it out for the BS that it is.
      Actually, I’ve been thinking about doing a few more videos – been learning the secrets of the great illusionists and their psychological tricks. Finding out how the mind really works is a lot more interesting I find.
      Anyway, nice conversation.
      Cheers
      rb

        JAFFA said:
        October 23, 2012 at 2:22 pm

        yes, i agree with you, the mind is a powerful thing 😄
        nice talking to you too rationalbrain, hopefully can have another chat again some other time?
        😄

        rationalbrain responded:
        October 23, 2012 at 6:15 pm

        Yep, anytime.
        rb

    Death said:
    November 22, 2012 at 12:33 am

    I understand why you would need proof for such a thing but don’t you think we wouldn’t believe in telekinesis if we didn’t already prove it to ourselfs also most magick and such is part of many religions or cultures. I don’t think it’s possible for that many people to be looney.

      rationalbrain responded:
      November 22, 2012 at 8:37 am

      I’m glad you understand my need for proof.
      I realise that many like you have convinced yourselves that it exists, but it is clearly a grand delusion. Probably more like wishful thinking to compensate for other areas of your lives.
      Actually, religion is not a good example for you. It PROVES that millions of people believe in something that doesn’t exist. They all admit it ‘faith’ based, and therefore not subject to evidence.
      Millions also believe in homeopathy – but it’s just water. Millions believe in therapeutic touch, but again, there is no evidence that it works. I could go on.
      People just feel better, no matter what the silly belief is. Your people are the same.
      With a handle like ‘Death’, I’m guessing you’re into the ‘black arts’ and enjoy that sort of thing. That’s fine – but don’t confuse it with reality.
      rb.

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